08:22 Tue 14 Sep 2004						REF:1UCACBR1

TO:	Duane NICKULL				cc	Halisa Consultants
	Vice-Chair UN/CEFACT				OIC Management Committee

Duane - Congratulations on your election as Vice-Chair of UN/CEFACT !
 - I agree the UN is better equipped to deal with the issues at a Policy level but it will 
still have to rely on ebxml members for implementation.

Now we can move the interchange up a level or two.  

Thank you for the Draft PPT which I have reviewed and add some comments in R3

Rather than respond in one lengthy e-mail I thought it may be useful to include the thoughts 
and findings of many of my colleagues for your consideration hence the response is in 3 
separate e-mails:

R1 - What is the Problem -  THIS E-MAIL

R2 - The UN and Ports

R3 - the UN/CEFACT slides


>The first is "When solving a problem, you must use different thinking than you did when 
you created the problem". 

What is the Problem we are trying to solve ?

Is it:

A	Reducing the cost of trading with your SME trade Partners ?

B	Reducing time and cost for distribution goods for developing countries ?

C	Providing work (jobs?) and lifestyles for population ?

D	Getting off this planet en-masse before resources run out ?

E	Managing Electronic Information more effectively (ref PORTMIS information flows) ?


Electronic Data Interchange [EDI] and ANSI-X12 was first proposed in 1979 to address the problem 
that large US Companies had with Accounts Payable costs.

The problem was that 80% of their costs was spent on making payments to 20% of their suppliers.  

Those 20% were mainly SMEs without IT departments


In 1976 the 'United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Asia and  the Pacific' 
commissioned the PORT Management Information System [PORTMIS] to enable Asian and Pacific 
countries to implement Port EDI Systems

However John RAVEN the facilitation adviser to the International Association of Ports and 
Harbours (IPAH) provide a report that stated: 

"current EDI practices are temporary relief which plaster twentieth century techniques over 
nineteenth century procedures and enforce the employment of very expensive Value Added Network 

Ref: Peter BROWN Executive Director Australian Association of Port and Marine Authorities
letter 14 Jan 1988

This is the real issue of a total review of the Business Process re-engineering for Trade 


This is obviously the objective of not only most politicians in a local sense but also the 
United Nations as a global policy.

However there is a big difference in doing work and getting a paid job.

In 1776 Adam SMITH produced "An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations" 
which stated that the Wealth of Nations is based on the "The annual labour of every nation is 
the fund which originally supplies it with all the necessaries and conveniences of life which
it annually consumes, and which consists always either in the immediate produce of that labour, 
or what is purchased with that produce from other nations"

This document has formed the basis of all international trade

However the Wealth of Nations did not consider payment for:

1	Intellectual Property - ie most professional and creative services
2	House-work
3	School work
4	Sports work

Intellectual Property has now been incorporated into the Wealth of Nations template with Free
Trade Agreements and particularly with the creation of the World Intellectual Property 
Organisation [WIPO]

However this again is likely to be to an added cost for developing nations.

House work, School work and Sports work for a vast majority of a Nation's population are unpaid.

This can be addressed with an e-Credits System that can be exchanged for local produce.

The e-credits System can comprise 7 or 8 e-credits eg

A	Accommodation
E	Entertainment
F	Financial
H	Health
L	Learning
N	Nourishment
T	Travel

Here is an example of an e-credits System developed by Members of the OIC XML & E-commerce 
Special Interest Group.

It has been proposed that Local Councils would become the Electronic Notary for local community

Further information on this issue can be reviewed on the submission to the Australian Senate
Inquiry on the Australia-USA Free Trade Agreement


Currently the World's population is 6 Billion and expected to grow to 15 Billion by 2050.

The problem is not producing food to feed the population but providing energy to distribute, 
heat/light, support and manage the waste.

Cars only produce a small amount of the Carbon Dioxide that causes global warming. 

The majority is produced by Power Stations that burn  fossil fuels.

Developing nations need these Power Stations to create energy for the factories and provide 
light, heat, refrigeration, cooling for the Public.

As a stop-gap the UN may want to consider developing houses or community places that have rooms 
with bikes/rowing-machines/walking-machines/weights linked to batteries so that when people 
exercise they develop the electricity that they need.

It would provide a fitter population and enable the youth of developing countries to generate 

Indeed Local Councils could have contests and awards to see which of its Citizens could produce 
the most power for the Community

However at some stage before the end of the next century Man has to leave this Planet en-masse 
to find new resources before the resources run out.

In fact this could be one of the Universal Objectives of the UN to the Youth of the World "the 
UN 50-year Steps to the Stars Strategy"

Once we get into Inter-Planentary travel new problems arise with communications ref "E-mail 
the Final Frontier"

This article explains the problems for e-mail travelling through space and the absolute 
necessity to minimise the amount of information that has to be transmitted and received due 
to the energy required for transmission.

E-mail is the underlying technology for E-ccmmerce particularly for SMEs hence the importance 
of getting e-mail filing standards in place before e-commerce can operate


Duane - this issue of managing Electronic Information is the common problem to all of the above.

Since 1985 I and my colleagues have been working on an Information Management methodology 
developed by my step-father in 1963 for ATA-100 (Air Transport Association - Technical 
Manual Reference Standard)

It is a very different concept to current EDI and E-commerce applications in that it was
developed from an Office Automation background to automatically synchronise and update 
distributed Electronic Information bases that includes data,voice, graphics, film, x-ray

An appraisal of the concept was commissioned by Fujitsu in 1994
The concept is a structured information architecture that uses the ASCII coding notation that
is common to all computers

The concept outlines how a template is held in a library at both sender and receiver so that 
only the variable information has to be transmitted.

Each library, each template and each variable has a unique ASCII code.

The variable information is selected from a number of options from a drop-down menu.

If the variable information is not in the drop-down menu then it can be sent as a new option 
or one off option.

Examples of this have been developed and implemented for the OTMG Tender Information Management 
Systems [TIMS] that has been licensed by the Open Interchange Consortium [OIC] since 2000 as an
XML Application

Each option has a code so that only the code is transmitted.  When it is received at the other 
end it is stored on disk as that code.  It is only when the user looks at the information that 
the codes are translated for the user.

This issue of information management and effective up-to-date reporting have been refined in a 
number of ways including:

1	Type of Member Matrix - Member/Subscriber
2	Tender Interest Matrix - Industry & Application
3	Industry/State Matrix - Industry/State

Many of the libraries are now being defined for e-Commerce eg Harmonised System, SPSC codes etc


Duane  - This e-mail is to define the problem as we see it.  

It may not be apparent how it fits with UN/CEFACT objectives but I will endeavour to explain 
that in the following 2 e-mails


Stephen GOULD
Partner e-Projects
11:56 T 2004/09/14 Syd 2089 - please note this for R3

E:	sggould@halisa.net
W:	SGG Expertise in Ecommerce

On 10 Sep 04, at 9:42, Duane Nickull wrote:

> Stephen:
> I think that the UN is better equipped to deal with this issue.  I have 
> been working with UN/CEFACT for a while and recently got elected as vice 
> chair.  Attached is a "DRAFT" PPT explaining our vision to level the 
> playing field for international trade (bridging the gap between the rich 
> and the poor).  Please note that this is draft and should not be 
> distributed.
> Duane

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